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	<title>Comments on: The Paradox of Plenty: Marion Nestle’s &#8220;Food Politics&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Playing It COOL: Country of Origin Labeling and Food Safety &#171; The Real Potato.</title>
		<link>http://therealpotato.com/2007/10/07/the-paradox-of-plenty-marion-nestle%e2%80%99s-food-politics/#comment-1784</link>
		<dc:creator>Playing It COOL: Country of Origin Labeling and Food Safety &#171; The Real Potato.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 21:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a thorough and alarmingly frank review of this history, see Marion Nestle, Food Politics, or read my review for a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Marion Nestle on Food Allergies &#171; The Real Potato.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marion Nestle on Food Allergies &#171; The Real Potato.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on Nestle&#8217;s work here and here.   Posted in food, food allergies, food politics, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Amit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 21:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah, I didn&#039;t spend enough time researching the Indian food habits last time I was there, but the Lays chips at all the small shops along the highway between Delhi and Jaipur struck out.

From what I&#039;ve read though, people are definitely eating out more often than when I was growing up. There has been some resistance to fast-food joints (by farmers and right-wing people) but not enough to make an impact. I&#039;ve also read that obesity is on the rise in India, and that&#039;s a good indicator that healthy eating habits are somewhat on the decline...

But yes, it&#039;s difficult to say what the complete picture is. I&#039;m sure there are pockets of resistance similar to Slow Food movement, and I&#039;ve also seen &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.navdanya.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Navdanya&lt;/a&gt; starting to promote healthier and organic foods. So there&#039;s hope. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah, I didn&#8217;t spend enough time researching the Indian food habits last time I was there, but the Lays chips at all the small shops along the highway between Delhi and Jaipur struck out.</p>
<p>From what I&#8217;ve read though, people are definitely eating out more often than when I was growing up. There has been some resistance to fast-food joints (by farmers and right-wing people) but not enough to make an impact. I&#8217;ve also read that obesity is on the rise in India, and that&#8217;s a good indicator that healthy eating habits are somewhat on the decline&#8230;</p>
<p>But yes, it&#8217;s difficult to say what the complete picture is. I&#8217;m sure there are pockets of resistance similar to Slow Food movement, and I&#8217;ve also seen <a href="http://www.navdanya.org/" rel="nofollow">Navdanya</a> starting to promote healthier and organic foods. So there&#8217;s hope. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: therealpotato</title>
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		<dc:creator>therealpotato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Amit!  

I think I need to check this book out!  Michael Pollan also talks about that in &lt;a href=&quot;http://therealpotato.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/the-omnivores-dilemma-the-political-economy-of-taste/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Omnivore&#039;s Dilemma&lt;/a&gt;-- the idea that cheap food simply externalizes its costs onto society.  In other words, a loaf of bread from Wal-Mart might be cheaper than one from a local bakery, but you pay for it with your health, the deterioration of your environment, the depression of wages and the Wal-Martization of your town, etc.  

Of course, the problem is that local/organic foods whose true cost &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; reflected in their retail pricing are out of the reach of most working people.  Joe and I sacrifice other things to buy good food because it&#039;s important to us, but there have been plenty of times when that hasn&#039;t been an option for us.  Regressive pricing is just going to penalize the people who can least afford it.  Which is why I&#039;d like to see an end to the system of corporate subsidies!  But I don&#039;t think we&#039;ll ever see corporations forced to reckon with the true costs of their actions within a capitalist society...

Interesting point about Indian food culture.  But does the availability of mass-produced junk food mean necessarily mean that people lose their food culture?  Italy, for example, has access to all of the processed junk food it wants.   But it&#039;s also the birthplace of the Slow Food concept.  People there have organized on a grassroots level to hold onto their food traditions, and have done so quite successfully.

I would &lt;i&gt;really, really&lt;/i&gt; love to investigate this question in person in Italy and India...  *sigh*  Anybody giving out grants for that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Amit!  </p>
<p>I think I need to check this book out!  Michael Pollan also talks about that in <a href="http://therealpotato.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/the-omnivores-dilemma-the-political-economy-of-taste/" rel="nofollow">The Omnivore&#8217;s Dilemma</a>&#8211; the idea that cheap food simply externalizes its costs onto society.  In other words, a loaf of bread from Wal-Mart might be cheaper than one from a local bakery, but you pay for it with your health, the deterioration of your environment, the depression of wages and the Wal-Martization of your town, etc.  </p>
<p>Of course, the problem is that local/organic foods whose true cost <i>is</i> reflected in their retail pricing are out of the reach of most working people.  Joe and I sacrifice other things to buy good food because it&#8217;s important to us, but there have been plenty of times when that hasn&#8217;t been an option for us.  Regressive pricing is just going to penalize the people who can least afford it.  Which is why I&#8217;d like to see an end to the system of corporate subsidies!  But I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;ll ever see corporations forced to reckon with the true costs of their actions within a capitalist society&#8230;</p>
<p>Interesting point about Indian food culture.  But does the availability of mass-produced junk food mean necessarily mean that people lose their food culture?  Italy, for example, has access to all of the processed junk food it wants.   But it&#8217;s also the birthplace of the Slow Food concept.  People there have organized on a grassroots level to hold onto their food traditions, and have done so quite successfully.</p>
<p>I would <i>really, really</i> love to investigate this question in person in Italy and India&#8230;  *sigh*  Anybody giving out grants for that?</p>
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		<title>By: Amit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent review Sarah. I&#039;ll put this book on my reading list.

I think that the way economic theories and models work today will need to undergo some modification by internalizing the currently externalized costs, that we as tax-payers end up paying. I haven&#039;t studied economics, so don&#039;t know how feasible this is, or how it&#039;ll happen, but it seems to make sense. Something along the lines of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Ecology-Commerce-Paul-Hawken/dp/0887307043&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Ecology of Commerce&lt;/a&gt; (Paul Hawken) - I call it green economics. :) :)

When I came to the US, finding out about the food here was shocking!! The (lack of) knowledge and relationship with food was in sharp contrast to India. Of course this was more than 10 years ago, and now Lays potato chips are ubiquitous in small shops in villages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent review Sarah. I&#8217;ll put this book on my reading list.</p>
<p>I think that the way economic theories and models work today will need to undergo some modification by internalizing the currently externalized costs, that we as tax-payers end up paying. I haven&#8217;t studied economics, so don&#8217;t know how feasible this is, or how it&#8217;ll happen, but it seems to make sense. Something along the lines of <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Ecology-Commerce-Paul-Hawken/dp/0887307043" rel="nofollow">The Ecology of Commerce</a> (Paul Hawken) &#8211; I call it green economics. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>When I came to the US, finding out about the food here was shocking!! The (lack of) knowledge and relationship with food was in sharp contrast to India. Of course this was more than 10 years ago, and now Lays potato chips are ubiquitous in small shops in villages.</p>
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		<title>By: therealpotato</title>
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		<dc:creator>therealpotato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 22:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should clarify that the tax she&#039;s proposing is a fraction of a penny-- enough not to impact food prices for consumers, but enough to accrue into a significant amount, kind of like the Superman III/Office Space scheme.  The idea is not to deter purchasers but to fund public health initiatives.  That said, I would of course rather see the food &lt;i&gt;producers&lt;/i&gt; get taxed (rather than the massive subsidies they now receive).

The real questions are (1) can these reforms be implemented under the current system, and (2) if not, what needs to happen to win even moderate reforms.  It&#039;s really interesting to see scientists and food professionals who are not socialists or activists start to draw radical conclusions based on their experiences within their industries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should clarify that the tax she&#8217;s proposing is a fraction of a penny&#8211; enough not to impact food prices for consumers, but enough to accrue into a significant amount, kind of like the Superman III/Office Space scheme.  The idea is not to deter purchasers but to fund public health initiatives.  That said, I would of course rather see the food <i>producers</i> get taxed (rather than the massive subsidies they now receive).</p>
<p>The real questions are (1) can these reforms be implemented under the current system, and (2) if not, what needs to happen to win even moderate reforms.  It&#8217;s really interesting to see scientists and food professionals who are not socialists or activists start to draw radical conclusions based on their experiences within their industries.</p>
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		<title>By: jcleffie</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcleffie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 19:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with Naveen in saying that we shouldn&#039;t support taxes on unhealthy food. It is a regressive tax as he says. Maybe tax companies that produce unhealthy foods? There are always problems with trying to influence things as consumers. Sarah and I are supporters of the slow food movement. But we spend an inordinate amount of our incomes on food. Despite our complaints our incomes are above the median (a sign of the sad state of affairs in this country) and we don&#039;t have children. Most people would find it difficult to shop the Headhouse market on a weekly basis. We sacrifice to do it. But what if you do if you don&#039;t have the income to do slow food regularly but a mega market with cheaper, albeit less healthy, food is down the street. 

I really find the her illustration of the contradictory goals of the FDA really powerful. The conflict between profit and the well being of most people is a thread that runs though our society but it is so stark and scandalous when we talk about food.

I also second the motion to shop the review around. I think it would be published.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with Naveen in saying that we shouldn&#8217;t support taxes on unhealthy food. It is a regressive tax as he says. Maybe tax companies that produce unhealthy foods? There are always problems with trying to influence things as consumers. Sarah and I are supporters of the slow food movement. But we spend an inordinate amount of our incomes on food. Despite our complaints our incomes are above the median (a sign of the sad state of affairs in this country) and we don&#8217;t have children. Most people would find it difficult to shop the Headhouse market on a weekly basis. We sacrifice to do it. But what if you do if you don&#8217;t have the income to do slow food regularly but a mega market with cheaper, albeit less healthy, food is down the street. </p>
<p>I really find the her illustration of the contradictory goals of the FDA really powerful. The conflict between profit and the well being of most people is a thread that runs though our society but it is so stark and scandalous when we talk about food.</p>
<p>I also second the motion to shop the review around. I think it would be published.</p>
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		<title>By: Naveen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Naveen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Review... you should publish it somewhere.  What steps can be taken to implement the reforms she suggests?  Democratic control of FDA would never be possible under the current system.  I&#039;m also unsure if we should support taxes on unhealthy foods.  I don&#039;t support sales taxes on consumer goods at all, because it is always passed on to the consumer and provides no real incentive for companies to disengage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Review&#8230; you should publish it somewhere.  What steps can be taken to implement the reforms she suggests?  Democratic control of FDA would never be possible under the current system.  I&#8217;m also unsure if we should support taxes on unhealthy foods.  I don&#8217;t support sales taxes on consumer goods at all, because it is always passed on to the consumer and provides no real incentive for companies to disengage.</p>
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		<title>By: Becks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Becks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 06:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just finished reading this book last week. It was a great read - very educating but also very scary.

If you haven&#039;t already, you should check out her blog, What to Eat: http://whattoeatbook.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just finished reading this book last week. It was a great read &#8211; very educating but also very scary.</p>
<p>If you haven&#8217;t already, you should check out her blog, What to Eat: <a href="http://whattoeatbook.com/" rel="nofollow">http://whattoeatbook.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: onie</title>
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		<dc:creator>onie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 06:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jes like what monsanto did in indonesia...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jes like what monsanto did in indonesia&#8230;</p>
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